S1E5- Juice or No Juice

Did the creative juice finish? That’s left for you to decide. 

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SPEAKER_01 0:00

Too much juice, too much sauce. Too much sauce, too much juice.

SPEAKER_03 0:06

Hello everyone. Welcome to your favorite music podcast. Hear me out.

SPEAKER_02 0:35

Sip away. Yeah. In the real world now, are you an apple juice guy or an orange juice guy?

SPEAKER_03 0:51

For me, a freshly squeezed orange juice will always bang. I don't even think, I don't even think apple juice is real juice.

SPEAKER_01 1:04

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 1:08

Have you ever seen in an advertisement online or a YouTube advertisement where someone is serving like a guest apple juice?

SPEAKER_01 1:21

I think the problem is a lot of people go for orange juice. That's where the issue starts. Because it's the best one. No, hell no. I have one of my guys, whenever I'm going to his house, I tell him, make sure there's apple juice. Make sure the apple of my eyes is available. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 1:50

You can't come over to my place and have apple juice. You can never find that.

SPEAKER_01 1:57

Anyways, I am I'm on a no juice, whatever that's called. Like I'm not taking juice, I'm not taking fusy drinks at the moment. And it's been three months strong. So oh, that's nice. Yeah, let me see. Let me see if let me see figuel.

SPEAKER_03 2:19

Team water all the way.

SPEAKER_01 2:21

Team water. Team water. Water no girl enemy.

SPEAKER_03 2:26

You know, I'm getting a bit older and I've been really living. I've been watchful of the things I take in, the things I eat. Everybody needs to stay all this sort of thing. Especially at this age. You've been running also. I noticed you've been doing a lot of running. How is that going to be?

SPEAKER_01 2:49

That was since last year. That was since last year. I tried to do a minimum of two to three runs. So I signed up for this athletics club. And yeah, late last year, I signed up. I signed with them. But before then, I was running on my own. I still run on my own anyways.

SPEAKER_03 3:08

But yeah, I mean to go for like insurance.

SPEAKER_01 3:17

I might do like a half marathon, I might do 10K. I don't know. I might do a marathon eventually, but now we're just taking it small little by little. So I do like 5K.

SPEAKER_03 3:28

Oh, that's that's awesome. When I go up. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:31

I'm trying to guy, I'm trying to stay fit, man. Because I don't want to go up the staircase and I'm like, my back hurts.

SPEAKER_03 3:37

So you don't want to be the person that stands up and your back makes that sound.

SPEAKER_01 3:44

Yeah, yeah. It's a 30 plus back, you know, as you know, as the beat.

SPEAKER_03 3:49

So the millennial struggles.

SPEAKER_01 3:54

What's a millennial without a back pain?

SPEAKER_03 3:59

Real life, real life.

SPEAKER_01 4:01

But healthy living. Uh there's also healthy music. So healthy music, you can easily say there's good creative juice. I don't know if that one is apple juice or orange juice. Maybe pineapple. A couple of artists. Do you have your sword with you? I have mine.

SPEAKER_03 4:27

It's yeah, it's right here.

SPEAKER_01 4:30

I have I have ten artists on my list. You pick a number between one to ten. I tell you the artist.

SPEAKER_02 4:41

And you tell me if the creative juice stayed.

SPEAKER_01 4:48

Or what was it with their own juice? How about that? Let's let's play the the 10 man game.

SPEAKER_03 4:59

So how do we measure this now?

SPEAKER_01 5:02

Um you pick your criteria. Oh, do you want me to give you criteria?

SPEAKER_03 5:09

Oh, okay. If you're measuring if an artistic, they've had like an artistic progress, so we are going to say in terms of mainstream, do we are we talking in terms of how mainstream they are, the legacy they've laid, the impacts they've made, or what other criteria do you want to add?

SPEAKER_01 5:32

If you can add uniqueness of their sound, what they've brought to the table.

SPEAKER_03 5:40

Okay. That's amazing.

SPEAKER_01 5:43

So we we have maybe diversity, maybe.

SPEAKER_03 5:47

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 5:48

Have they been able to diversify their sound or probably try new sounds, that kind of thing?

SPEAKER_03 5:54

Yeah. What about like um the topic they've they've talked about, they've mentioned in their music, the topic they've touched on.

SPEAKER_01 6:03

If you bring good talking points, I might score you good. You know, I'll score you good. So, you know what? Let's it depends on what you say. Pick your pick your number and I'll tell you the artist.

SPEAKER_03 6:17

Why lucky number seven? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:22

Perfection. Okay. On number seven today, I have Christiano Ronaldo. On number seven, I have A. G. Baby.

SPEAKER_03 6:38

Ade Cule God.

SPEAKER_01 6:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 6:40

That's someone who I respect a lot. And you know that Ade Kunlegood is someone I love the way his career has progressed a lot because it shows a lot of perseverance and it shows um steady progress. You know, when Ade Kunlego first came into the scene and signed with YBNL, he had like this explosion. It was like it felt like immediate success, but it wasn't like it wasn't immediate. You know, he has been he has been on he had been on Twitter before he blew up making all these um what was it called? Photo edits. There's something Photoshop. Do you remember that era?

SPEAKER_01 7:25

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 7:27

Where he was.

SPEAKER_01 7:28

That was that was with Shade.

SPEAKER_03 7:31

He was making a lot of like Photoshops and stuff. He was just on Twitter doing all that, and then he blew up with Shade, became very popular. But he had this like unique sound at first where he was like incorporating that traditional sound, the Yoruba folk sound, the high life sound when he started initially. You know, the average person who listens to him will think, ah, this guy is for the Yoruba people. You understand? That was at first. And then one thing you can always say about Adekunda God is he didn't he didn't get boxed into one area. He kept reinventing himself and rebranding. After the first album, he then made the second one, which the sound was completely different from the first one. He incorporated more English into his songs. He was doing what was not like the folk sound anymore. It was more pop now, it was more pop sounding. And then he even made Afro Pop. Do you remember the Afro Pop era? That's it.

SPEAKER_01 8:39

Yeah, that was a very good album. Afropop was when he was doing a rebrand. Let's say he was going through a rebrand, uh rebranding phase because he came up with this uh bad boy look. That was the time where when you look on Twitter, you see people say things like, Oh, A.J. Baby was dressing like Bonabron. I'm like, nah, man, he wasn't doing any of that. Like, why would you even say that? But he was like changing his style from the shade, uh beggy baggy kind of guy, uh you know, lover, going through a lot kind of music to pop to more like age baby is your baby. Yeah, Decon Legold has always had different names depending on the album, to be honest.

SPEAKER_03 9:31

Depending on the era, is in and even his style changes over time. With each era, he has like a different style. That's what I love so much about him. He keeps re-reinventing himself, and it's something you need so much in this Afrobeat scene lately. If you don't reinvent yourself, you get still, and people just um turn up from your music. People don't turn up from your music anymore. You know, um there was a time where it felt like people were not listening to AG Baby, you understand? They were not listening to Ade Kule Gold.

SPEAKER_01 10:06

It still had like a that was tequila, tequila ever after time, or catch me if you can, was it? Yes, during that period.

SPEAKER_03 10:16

Yes, it felt like it felt like he had lost most of his audience, but like I said, he showed a lot of perseverance, he kept statit. And you know what is amazing about Ade Kunley Good, he shows. I don't think I've ever seen people go to Ade Kunley Good show and come back with like a negative review of it.

SPEAKER_01 10:39

Yeah, it's like it's an experience for them. Yes, it's it's something we went for one last December, and when she came back, she was just like, Oh man, she had a time was hard, as they say.

SPEAKER_03 10:55

He uses a lot of like um live instrumentals, you know, the drums alive, and maybe even do like acoustic version of his songs during those shows. It is just something interesting, and it sticks to time. This is a space where you the the artist will be like the show starts at nine, and the artist doesn't come on stage until like 11/12. But I think only good sticks to time, which is interesting.

SPEAKER_01 11:25

I think the cutest entrance he had was when his daughter introduced him on stage. Oh lovely. I think that was in America. But yeah, that was that was really cute.

SPEAKER_03 11:38

Very interesting. And he's also a family man, you know, which would have been like the downfall of a lot of people, you know, trying to start a family and keep up with their career, but he has stayed steadfast and his latest album is doing well, you know. So I think Ade Kune Good's career, he might not be doing crazy numbers anymore, but he has really entered this phase of his career where he's like when you talk about Ade Kunley Good, you're talking about one of the OGs in the space now. He's he's a big name to be reckoned with, he's a good brand to be reckoned with. And it I think it's uh it's a career progression that you can say kudos to Ade Kunley Good, you've done well for yourself.

SPEAKER_01 12:25

Or what is he always he's always ready to experiment? That was that's that's something that's really nice. Like you see, each time A.G. Baby is like, you're like, what's AJ Baby going to give us? What's AG Baby going to do this time? And boom, he tries something new. And yes, if it doesn't work, he switches, he switches it up immediately. So perseverance is the word, I think. Okay, try if you know work, try again. Try, you know, the sun will shine and we'll try again.

SPEAKER_03 12:58

So that's it, that's a plus for Adecule Good.

SPEAKER_01 13:01

Yeah, we'll give it, we'll give him a plus, but not Ed Sharon, but we'll give him a plus.

SPEAKER_03 13:08

What about if you're like rating his career progress on a scale of 10? What would you say? Eight, nine?

SPEAKER_01 13:25

Since he since since since he was number seven, I'll give him seven.

SPEAKER_03 13:29

You give him seven. Yeah, I'll give it for me. I think I think eight would do because I love the I love the way his career has moved a lot. So and probably a personal bias, eight for me.

SPEAKER_01 13:45

I'll allow it. Who who are the Avengers you have for me? What number do I pick? Do I pick a number or how you how you you pick a number and I tell you? Okay, what's my lucky number? Five.

SPEAKER_03 14:00

Okay, five. Let's go. Um number five as Usha.

SPEAKER_02 14:13

There's fire on the mountain.

SPEAKER_03 14:18

This time around, everybody's on the run. Everybody they jump up.

SPEAKER_01 14:24

Yeah. Usha is unarguably the greatest female Afrobeat artist.

SPEAKER_03 14:34

Arguably.

SPEAKER_01 14:36

Unarguably, unarguably, unarguable is not up for the booth.

SPEAKER_03 14:41

Arguably, please. Okay, because I have Omaumi, I have waji, I have Mama Africa, I have Tiwa Savage, I have Thames, you know, I have Ayasta.

SPEAKER_01 14:55

The last tune is recensive bias.

SPEAKER_03 14:58

Of course. I have Omaumi. So Asha over them 100%.

SPEAKER_01 15:05

They can't lace her boots.

SPEAKER_00 15:08

Really?

SPEAKER_02 15:09

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 15:11

Why did you say so? Please explain.

SPEAKER_01 15:17

Where do I start from?

SPEAKER_03 15:22

Start from the beginning.

SPEAKER_01 15:24

Asha. Asha is a consistent artist. Before Asha, there was no one doing what she was doing. But she has set the precedence that right now there's actually someone doing what she's doing in terms of a likeness to sound. Asha is someone that doesn't just put out an album because everyone is putting out an album.

SPEAKER_03 15:52

The ideal of our time. Or the ideal of our own space.

SPEAKER_01 15:58

For someone that's been in the in the game for as long as 2007, 2008, Asha just has five albums. That shows that she is careful. She's intentional with what she's doing. Like I I I see I see a lot of things happening today's music world. And an artist came out five years and he has five albums. I don't get the rush.

SPEAKER_03 16:29

I don't get the There is nothing you ate more than an artist who's putting out too many songs.

SPEAKER_01 16:37

I guess we are doing one must hit, one must blow, one must. But if you're intentional about what you're doing, you take a look at her first, her debut album. There are songs like Jayla. There's Bibanke. Like songs that 30 years down the line, you're like, wow, this song was beautifully made. So I know you might, or people will say, oh, Asha has been repetitive because when we spoke about AG Baby, we said AG Baby.

SPEAKER_03 17:10

He keeps reinventing himself.

SPEAKER_01 17:12

Yeah. Yeah. But there's something about when you know what you're doing. I know they say Jag of all trades, master of none. Asha is Jag of all trades. And she picked one part and she mastered it to the best. The only time she tried something new was in 2022, which is her fifth album. And there's a fun fact about Asha. Up until that album, she never featured anybody. Like when she's in album mode, it was just Asha singing. She goes into the studio, only her. She tried something new. And I don't know if it's uh because of, you know, let me see what the new cards have on the on the block. She featured caveman, featured Whiskey, featured, you know, just to try some. That's when she went pop sounding. As you, you always like, you like pop-sounding albums. But if you look at her discography, even up to then, you say, come on, Asha, Unbeatable. Lucid, the album was a good one. I know that's your favorite album, the way you're looking at me when it's lucid. I love Lucid.

SPEAKER_03 18:27

I love Lucid, like Mother in the USA. That's a good song. Lucid has these songs that are really soulful, like ballads, and you know Asher's voice is special. So I really like that album.

SPEAKER_01 18:43

So, with these few points of mind, have I been able to convince you not to confuse you that Asha is the greatest female Afro-bit artist?

SPEAKER_03 18:56

Okay, for me, for someone like Asha, I think with her career progress and just rating her as an artist, I think she's a 10 over 10 because I love everything about Asha. Okay, I mean if if there's a number above 10, we'll go. Yeah. She has she has timeless classics. I mean, if we're compiling like a list of Afrobeat songs and we want to show show like this is what Afrobeat artists, the kind of music they make, I think Asher's songs are going to obviously be there. She's going to be one of those people that really curated and made Afrobeats special, right?

SPEAKER_01 19:37

Do you think do you think there is anybody in our time that's do you think there's any millennia that doesn't like Asha's music? I'm trying to think. I'm just looking at people that if like our mood trials, I'm starting with that. If there's anyone that doesn't like Asha's music.

SPEAKER_03 19:54

No, because our music cuts across different kinds of you know, um, age groups and generation. I mean, even my mom loves Asha. Your mom loves Asha. Everyone, everyone can sing there is fire on the mountain. You see, those are classics that will never go. Yes. So when you're talking about someone like Asher, she has the timeless classics, and even in the recent times, like Show You Off is a song I really enjoy a lot. I enjoy listening to you. I'll show you off to the world. That's a very good song. Yeah, and the song with Whiskey 2 is a song I like.

SPEAKER_01 20:40

So Asher is Don't Go Where No Love. Don't go where love, no deal. Don't go, please, guys. I use Gob now.

SPEAKER_03 20:48

Albums like Bed of Stone is a perfect, you know, a lot of times you see where artists drop like their first album, and then the sophomore album doesn't do so well. But that's not Asha. Um, after the first album, then Bed of Stones came and it was still a brilliant album. It has four or five hits on it, and listening to their album from top to bottom is not an album where you get bored halfway through the album.

SPEAKER_01 21:16

No, you can't you can't you can't get bored of Ashar's music, to be honest. And I still listen to I still listen to Ashar just last week. Like I just needed uh cool, calm, relaxed vibe, and Ashar did it for me. Yes, anyway, so I've convinced you I'm good. Let me I've brought out my sword again. So you picked number seven. This time around I'm picking three. Three, yeah, left back. Now Rick Hassani. I'm not sure you saw that. I'm not sure you saw that coming.

SPEAKER_03 22:06

Rick Asani, gentleman. I will always remember him for gentleman and the suits and the style he brought into the space. You see, I I when Rick Asani came out, I felt like this guy could never make a bad song. That's what I thought about him. Like I said to myself, there is no way for this guy's career, his artistry to go wrong. Like, he's perfect.

SPEAKER_01 22:34

I mean, uh So the Ram Sinoir of Music.

SPEAKER_03 22:38

You understand? When you I'm I'm sure the ladies love him. You know, when he came into this, uh he busted to the stage and he came into limelight, tall, handsome, good style. I mean, what there is no going wrong with that. You have everything for a perfect act, for a perfect artist.

SPEAKER_01 22:59

He's gone on to he's gone on to drop the prince I became. So from an African gentleman, he became a prince.

SPEAKER_02 23:06

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 23:07

From being a prince, he did Afro Love.

SPEAKER_02 23:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:10

Hasani Walkout. And then Lagos Lover Boy. It looks like your gentleman has.

SPEAKER_03 23:17

You see, the thing is, like I said, where we were talking about, I said she was able to match her first album. But the thing with Asani is it couldn't match the first album. Um, and sometimes you're not able to match your first album. It's good, it's okay, it's alright. A lot of artists, it happens to a lot of artists, but you need to keep dropping quality.

SPEAKER_01 23:45

I'm just looking at one of the songs from the second album, and everybody knows this one, Thunder Fire You.

SPEAKER_03 23:57

That was a viral moment, I think. People made videos, people made jokes about it, Thunder Fire, you like that. But I mean, after that, what else do you remember of Rikasani?

SPEAKER_01 24:12

To be honest, I'm not gonna.

SPEAKER_03 24:14

It's not much. It's not much.

SPEAKER_01 24:15

The next time I saw him, or okay, that was even before, would be the song with Chike, Boo of the Bulless.

SPEAKER_03 24:22

Yeah. Uh, I saw a tweet for him. I followed him on his social media, and I saw I saw a post from him. He he stated one time, and he said, Man, this particular deal I just signed, bro, I'm never going broke again. When I saw that, I think he made like a soundtrack for a movie, a big movie, and that was it. I think that gave me an idea of who Rickassani is. He's someone that I've if he feels like, oh, there's no point anymore. Because you can even tell from the music, it's not showing hunger anymore.

SPEAKER_01 25:02

I don't think sorry, I feel like success means different things to different people. So some people might just be like, if I get this deal, I'm done. Like, I'll just drop whatever music names fits.

SPEAKER_02 25:20

I don't know. So maybe he's happy with that.

SPEAKER_03 25:27

Asani had the he had the way to, he had the like, he could have created something, he could have created this pathway that even other artists will follow. Because when he came in, it was not so many people doing what he was doing. When he came in with gentlemen, it was not so many people doing that style of music. I mean, I don't think Johnny Drew was even so big then when Rickassani came out at first.

SPEAKER_02 26:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 26:02

So it could have been, oh, Rickassani, you're making music like Rick Assani, you're making this like Rickassani. But all of a sudden he's dead went away. Yes, it could have been that guy. He could have been that guy for that soul lover boy kind of music. It just didn't do enough. It just didn't do enough.

SPEAKER_01 26:25

I had given him a minus.

SPEAKER_03 26:30

Of course. This this is the first that is where you know, since we've been talking that I actually believe he could have done better, but didn't do enough. So if if I'm rating him over 10, it's like a three. It's like it's that bad.

SPEAKER_02 26:44

Rick.

SPEAKER_03 26:46

I feel like Rick should have done better. Really, really should have done better.

SPEAKER_01 26:52

Okay, fair enough. Do you have any more from your catalogue for me?

SPEAKER_03 26:58

Yeah, you still have you picked just one. So you still have nine more.

SPEAKER_01 27:04

You picked, you picked a defender, you picked a three. I'll pick 11. Oh, okay. It's up to 10, sorry. No, is that eleven? Oh, there's 11 or yours.

SPEAKER_03 27:15

You know who this reminds me of? It reminds me of this Arsenal winger, then this fine boy. Do you know who I'm talking about? No, it's an old one. OG, OG, OG. He runs, he runs very fast.

SPEAKER_01 27:34

Sanchez.

SPEAKER_03 27:35

Not Sanchez, no. Sanchez is not that fast. This guy is really, really fast. A fine boy.

SPEAKER_02 27:44

Wow cause. Walk us. Wow.

SPEAKER_03 27:51

Wow. Oh. Yeah, so 11. You are from one to ten. Why are you picking eleven?

SPEAKER_01 28:02

Because I just watched Stranger Things.

SPEAKER_03 28:07

Come on, pick the pick one of the numbers we have. Okay, I'll go ten. Okay. Is this messy now? Oh deco.

SPEAKER_01 28:19

Let's go. Ronaldino, Ronaldino.

SPEAKER_03 28:22

Ronald Dio. Okay, ten. We have Odi. Utumodi.

SPEAKER_01 28:36

You see, sometimes what he's uh I have seen him play football.

SPEAKER_03 28:39

He's not that man looks stiff. But he sure talks a lot about football. He loves football.

SPEAKER_01 28:49

And he's a Barcelona fan at Arsenal and Barcelona. Or both. Or one of them, I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_02 29:01

Odumodu, let me let me get him up.

SPEAKER_01 29:11

What I'm seeing from Odumodu is it's it's not looking good. Wow. It's not looking good to be.

SPEAKER_03 29:19

Odumodu is barely four, three, four, five years into his career. I'll tell you why it's not looking good.

SPEAKER_01 29:25

I'll tell you like why it's not looking good. It's is something I personally believe in. I spoke about Asha a few minutes ago. Asha has been what 15 years in the game. She just has five albums. Three years in between each about that. 2021, Odumodu gave us Odyogu. 2022, Odumodu gave us the drop. 2023, Odumodu gave us Ezyoku. 2025, Odumodu gave us the machine is coming. 2025, Odumodu gave us industry machine.

SPEAKER_03 30:05

That's how many albums.

SPEAKER_01 30:07

Kilo day. Uh uh. What we say.

SPEAKER_03 30:11

No, like we said, let artists go back to waiting two, three years in between albums.

SPEAKER_01 30:16

Please space it out. Bruno Mars in all his glory has just 60 songs in his name. Odomodu within this album, five years.

SPEAKER_03 30:26

That was but for for for someone like Odie, you know, um artists like Odie, they tend to drop a lot of music. I mean, look at Tolami Day, look at Fino. These are people that probably Odomodu is looking up to. They drop a lot of music. And even if you look at the international scene, you look at Drake, you look at uh Young Boy, you look at Gonna, these people drop a lot of music. Rappers tend to drop a lot of music, especially when they make the kind of music Odie makes. They they they dwell more on quantity.

SPEAKER_01 31:04

I can I can tell you, I can mention, you mentioned rappers, right? I can mention rappers that don't drop that way. And when they drop, you're like, damn it. Falloff dropped last month, the Jacob's final album. Before then, when last did you get an album from Jacob?

SPEAKER_03 31:24

It's been a while.

SPEAKER_01 31:25

Okay. Dave dropped the boy who played the harp last year. Before then, when did you get an album from him? Waited four years. So, I mean, I'm not saying everybody can need to do the same template, right? Ezyoku is a very decent record. Off the top of my head, I can mention as many songs as I can on the album. Comment dog eats dog, picanto. Like decent songs on the album.

SPEAKER_03 31:56

That's his best work, right? Ezoku is his best work, yes.

SPEAKER_01 31:59

By a mile, by a mile. But I know people would say industry machine because he had DeVido, Whiskey, Mode 9, Reminis. You know, that was just by the way.

SPEAKER_03 32:16

On the last one, the the the album he dropped, the song with Pretty Boy Dio is my favorite. And funny enough, people didn't really vibe with that song.

SPEAKER_01 32:27

Let me let me have a look at the one with Pretty Boy Dio.

SPEAKER_03 32:30

It's uh oh, okay, okay. Bad Joe. Badjo, and there is one with SMADA.

SPEAKER_01 32:39

Yeah, that's one of mine.

SPEAKER_02 32:42

I like that. That's one of mine.

SPEAKER_01 32:43

Then the one with Kepta and the one with Kepta and Zlatan is also another one of mine.

SPEAKER_03 32:52

Not like I don't like OD, but I feel like his music is a bit rushed. Like I can't remember a lot of the songs on The Machine is Coming. I know it was an album that was supposed to lead up to the machine.

SPEAKER_01 33:11

You know, those pre pre-album drops. A pre-album drop is having 16 songs. That's a full album.

SPEAKER_03 33:20

So you know it it follows the path of what artists do. A lot of artists drop, not not all artists, but mostly rappers. Before their album, they drop like sorry for the wait. Sorry for artists, tends rappers tend to do that. So the machine is coming, is like, sorry for the wait, but we were not even waiting.

SPEAKER_02 33:40

Wait.

SPEAKER_01 33:45

So Uzioku is who me. If I if someone asks me, oh, do you listen to Odomodu? I'll say yes, but listen to Uzioku. I think a lot of songs on Uzioku can stand alone as singles. That's that that's my own that's my own thoughts. Blood on the Dance Floor, the song with Wally. Beautiful song. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 34:11

Beautiful song.

SPEAKER_01 34:12

Uh Ulomo. It's a very good song.

SPEAKER_02 34:16

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_01 34:17

The one you sang about is Uluomo. I know that one was a bit controversial, but yeah. The song with Black Boys, unfortunately, they dissed each other. Tesla Boy was a very good song as well. So like Izuoku was proper, it was put together. It was really good. But I mean, before Izioku, I wasn't listening to Odomodu. So I don't know what to say. But I'm just looking at the lineup within five years, you have five albums, you have six albums. Like, guy, calm down. We all follow me the same.

SPEAKER_03 34:48

In the same bread, he's still trying to push his label mates. And they even did a cipher together.

SPEAKER_01 34:58

I don't know what that was, but it is what it is.

SPEAKER_03 35:03

I mean, we we've had good ciphers in the past, not from Odie and his label mates, but from other labelers.

SPEAKER_01 35:09

They had like a uniform, like the war.

SPEAKER_03 35:14

You know, just for like some minutes, let's talk about the way fashion is in the music industry now. A lot of artists, they get into the scene and they have um fashion houses now. Everybody, everybody is a good idea.

SPEAKER_01 35:29

Zanko to the world is a good one. High fashion is a good one.

SPEAKER_03 35:34

People are going into fashion now and they just it's it's amazing. I mean, um, is it that music is not the core for these people anymore? I know when people say music is a business also and stuff, but are we are we taking away from music when we just call it business and we are taking away from the outside of it?

SPEAKER_01 35:55

Music is supposed to I think you know how you have extended families. Fashion goes hand in hand hand in hand with today's kind of artist because you're a brand, right? When they think of when they think of an artist, they think of the artist as a brand, you know. So they're all for what does he offer? So they want to, when they look at you, they want to see what you wear, they want to see why you move, they want to see, you know, people you interact with. So you're you're like a brand. So you have to sell yourself in a certain way. So I don't I don't have a problem, but whatever you're putting out in terms of fashion, you just have to put out something that it's appealing to the eye. With more quality, in fact. Yeah, true. True. So for Odumodu, I'm giving him a minus. I'm sorry. Wow. Yeah, I'm sorry. I one of one of my closest friends is a huge Odumodu fan, and I'm sure he will say, Izyoku is Odomodu's best work. And he will say, Odumodu, like Olamide was on the pod last time. He was talking about fast mood, fast food music. Odumodu should, you know, let's let's miss you. Let's miss you a bit, if that's okay.

SPEAKER_03 37:17

Sometimes you you go away for a while and when you disappear for a while, when you come back, people are not ready for you anymore. So if you're going away for a while, you need to come back with quality. If Odimoto takes a break, I hope he spends it really going in deep into his bag to write some of the best music is made and to come up with like very interesting sound.

SPEAKER_01 37:46

He has melodies. He has melodies, he has hard libs, he has black shit for life, black shit for life.

SPEAKER_03 37:53

OD has never struck me like the lyrical type. It's more like, let me jump on what is sounding good at the moment, and that's how he's going to make hits. So, yes, I don't like when quantity is too much. So OD can go, but don't disappear for too long. OD is the kind of artist that strikes me more like a two-year in-between album with. And those two years, it's not like you disappear, it's more like I'm dropping on features for other artists, I'm going on tour, I'm appearing on like um YouTube programs, I'm taking interviews, not like disappear, disappear from the face of uh everyone. No, that's what I mean. That's what I mean.

SPEAKER_01 38:39

But like album, when you're in album mood is a different thing. So car fire value when you're in album mood, that kind of thing.

SPEAKER_03 38:46

For me, I think there is still uh uh a lot of space for Odie to get better. I wouldn't rate him like minors yet, I'll still put him like a five over ten because there's still more for him to do. There's still more.

SPEAKER_01 39:03

There's still one I like I like how you're being nice. Okay, I'll draw my sword. I'll draw my sword again. So I've picked a seven, you picked a three. Yes, so your your your attack is is okay. Your defense. I have one attack, I have one defense going for the midfield. No, you had a red card on your defense because we can't was a minus.

SPEAKER_03 39:29

I'm going for the midfield now. Let's go for the midfield.

SPEAKER_01 39:33

So who plays the DM?

SPEAKER_03 39:35

That's a four, right?

SPEAKER_01 39:36

Four.

SPEAKER_03 39:37

Some of people say DM is four, some people say six. Six. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 39:42

Hello. Let's go with let's go with uh dm as four.

SPEAKER_02 39:47

That's so that would be fireball standing ovation, first of all.

SPEAKER_03 40:02

Oh my goodness, did you listen to the last fireball album? That album is so good.

SPEAKER_02 40:09

Come on now, stop playing.

SPEAKER_03 40:10

I have too many, I have too many favorites on that album. Before the album dropped, I was listening to Obasima. And at first is so good, and then there is this other song, it was um Black Bones.

SPEAKER_01 40:31

That was a good one as well. I know Black Bones verse, like the back of my palm.

SPEAKER_03 40:36

That year, I was saying it that Black Bones verse was the best verse of the year. The verse on that song. You know, that song was supposed to have Benson also, but Benson said he had put out too much features that year already, so he couldn't jump on the song with Fireboy and Bones. Firebone.

SPEAKER_01 40:56

That was CK Benson. That was Hallelujah, CK Black Bones and Benson.

SPEAKER_03 41:01

Yeah, is that hallelujah, not the one with Fireboy?

SPEAKER_01 41:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 41:06

Um there is this song on that album, the last one. Yeah, can you it's right after Obashima?

SPEAKER_01 41:19

Need me.

SPEAKER_03 41:21

Not need me.

SPEAKER_01 41:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 41:29

I was on vacation in 2025 and Yawa dropped as a single. I think it dropped way earlier before the album.

SPEAKER_01 41:37

Way before the album, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 41:39

And I kept playing this song back to back, back to back. And the the people on vacation with me were like, bro, I beg, you don't get any other song. I was like, this current, this is this is my song. And you know, when Yawa dropped, it wasn't like received well by the audience immediately. People were like, oh, what is this? What is Fireboy doing? Ashakeah's taking over, Fireboy is no longer making like good music and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_01 42:11

That comparison was something I didn't really, it didn't really sit well with me. Like, bro, yeah, they do, I think they do different things. Can you just allow? People know they allow.

SPEAKER_03 42:22

Comparison is something that fans are doing so much.

SPEAKER_01 42:26

My all-time favorite Fireboy album, to be honest for me. And favorite song is Like I Do, and favorite album is LTG. This song was, this album was so good that I had to use it as a caption for one of my posts. Laughter, Tears, and Goosebombs. Come on, bro. What are you saying? So for with Fireboy, I think something happened. There was a bit of disconnect, or maybe it's just me, but I think I observed that in the in the industry or with the fans, when he dropped Playboy, I don't know why, but it seemed there was like a culture shift, sort of like Fireboy was no longer everyone's cup of tea.

SPEAKER_03 43:14

Because he didn't immediately incorporate that amapiano sound into his music, which I'm happy he didn't, because we can look at the situation of music now. Everybody's still adding log drums to their sound. I mean, when are we going to get over the log drums? And in that moment, also, people were using crowd vocals, crowd vocals and log drums, the Shei vibe sound, the Ashake sound, that was what was trending then. You see, one thing you would always notice, notice is for people who want to be like big, so big, they tend to um join themselves with. Popping artist at the moment. If you notice, then someone like Kolamide immediately started featuring Asha K, started featuring Shea vibes on songs. Um, Davido did the same thing.

SPEAKER_01 44:12

So that's a Drake template.

SPEAKER_03 44:14

Yes, you know, just try to pick the popping artist and make music with them. I get Fireboy also made music with Ashake while he was popping bandana, which I feel like that was more to do with the fact that they were both on the same label. But I don't see Fireboy as that sort of person who just because his sound is popping, I try to, you know, make that sort of sound or try to incorporate that. I'm not saying it's a bad thing to do, I'm just saying sometimes it might not be true to who you are as an artist. We've stated it's LTG, Apollo, Playboy. Uh, these uh these albums have like different themes to them.

SPEAKER_01 44:57

Yeah. So that that that's that's something I noticed.

SPEAKER_03 45:00

Fireboy is intentional. Even when it feels like the music is not doing so well anymore, you can always tell that not the music, rather, the numbers are not like what they used to be. He still keeps making good music. It doesn't get Playboy has one of his biggest songs.

SPEAKER_01 45:21

In terms if you're talking numbers, the song we ensure it is on Playboy.

SPEAKER_03 45:24

Yes. Um, a couple of hits on that album, but the album as a whole, how was it received by people? It wasn't really there. Um Fireboy was not even showing up on the charts that much. All the era leading towards this last album, Adid Amola, the songs were not doing well. The songs were not doing well.

SPEAKER_01 45:48

But I think people really enjoyed Adid Amola.

SPEAKER_03 45:51

Uh you know, like I said, he he kept at it and now people are on his side again because the quality will last. That's the thing. Fireboy is the kind of person where when you go into his catalogue and you listen to the songs, it feels new again because they are quality songs. You were talking about like I do being one of your favorite songs. Every time you play like I do, it's good. One of my favorites is I on life. I love I on life.

SPEAKER_01 46:21

You know, you know, you know, the you know the thing about good music? Sometimes you don't even need to sing the song. Once you say the title or the name of the song, it's just something just as you just said high on life. I I immediately sang it in my head.

SPEAKER_03 46:36

It's so so for me personally, how do I rate Fireboy's career? I think Fireboy is only solid nine.

SPEAKER_01 46:46

I'm giving him a plus because he had the master of number of plus on one of his albums. Fireboy is a plus plus. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 46:55

No, I'll give him kudos to Fireboy.

SPEAKER_01 46:59

I'll give him a nine with a potential, a potential to hit 10 in a few years' comes.

SPEAKER_02 47:06

Now I'm with you on that one. I'm with you on that one.

SPEAKER_03 47:11

It's your turn once again to pick. Let me have it. Give me your number.

SPEAKER_01 47:17

I've picked a lot of outfield players. There's nobody in my goalposts. I'll pick number one. Let me have my goalkeeper.

SPEAKER_03 47:33

By the way, Donaruma has been bad for Man City. They thought they were signing one excellent goalkeeper.

SPEAKER_01 47:44

It's not that it is French League. They play. Anyways, give me number one.

SPEAKER_03 47:49

Number one. You have Wandico.

SPEAKER_01 47:59

It's even good you started with that statement because what I want to say is the moment Wandiko left Mushin and went to Mo Hits, he was not really hitting. Listen, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Because I'll probably be misquoted. He was not hitting album-wise. His best work put together like as an album is Motion to Mo Hits. And don't get me wrong, Wandiko has given us amazing singles after that. He has given us Is Kaba, has given us again The Kiss Your Hand that he was on with R2B's. Yes. He has given us like decent singles.

SPEAKER_03 48:41

That song has quite like two versions of it. Do you remember T? You remember that one that never became like a proper song that was just like um on the phones? Where he was, yes, the freestyle. And there was a time I was just going online, searching YouTube, trying to look for that song. I eventually found it on Facebook.

SPEAKER_01 49:05

I heard that stuff. You'll be looking for something on DSPs and you will see it.

SPEAKER_03 49:09

No, not everything is on DSP, especially songs that were there before the streaming era. You know, Wandico had so many bobs before streaming era, it's difficult to find them.

SPEAKER_01 49:20

So with Wandiko, I don't know if putting up a body of work is the problem because Motion Tumoid is 10 over 10. All-time favorite Afro be like, there's nobody that will listen to Motion to Mohe and will say, bro, this guy was hungry. But when you fast forward to 2023, Legend or No Legend, Wandiko is a legend in the game, right? Or there's really nothing legendary about that album, to be honest.

SPEAKER_03 49:58

So I tried so much to like legend or no legend, but it just I just couldn't, I know. I you know, uh Legend or Lone Legend was after Iscaba. You know, when you when you make a song like Iscaba, that is what's that? That's the craziest blown song.

SPEAKER_01 50:22

Iscaba got the whole country on luck.

SPEAKER_03 50:25

So if you play Iscaba Okay.

SPEAKER_01 50:29

I I I this is what I think. I think Wendy is no longer an album guy. He's more like, feature me on your song, I'll kill it. I'll give you guys a good uh what do you call it? Give you guys a good single every now and again. But an album, I don't know about that.

SPEAKER_03 50:53

So what's the case? It's not a case of creative Jews running out because he still makes great features.

SPEAKER_01 51:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 51:01

But why can't he make a proper solo song or a proper album anymore?

SPEAKER_01 51:08

Is it just touching back on when Fireboy came out, you know, they were always saying, oh, Wandico, Wandiko. Fireboy has themes to his album, right? I think Wandiko moved past that after motion to mo, it's like he was no longer putting themes to his album. So it was just, okay, I sang with this guy. Oh yeah, enter the album. I sang with that one, enter the album. I sang this song, you enter the album. So it's just we're going left, going right, going center, going left, go. So one song, obviously as a single hits, but the album together, it's not really. So it's not juice. So I want the Jews know the finish, okay?

SPEAKER_03 51:54

Or you know, sometimes artists are so good at freestyling. A lot of artists will tell you, I don't write before I go to make music. I think Ola Mide has said that a couple of times too. Which I don't think is the best way to move. You know, uh, you can go into the studio, sit down and vibe on a song, and it sounds nice. But when you're making an album, you actually need to sit down, put pen to paper, and write out things and make like incredible music. Someone like Wandiko has someone in one like Wandiko has been on, he has been in the game for a long time now. And you know, he probably now believes if I'm going to make songs, let me just go into the studio and sing whatever comes into my mind at the time. They're only strong. Yeah, and that's where you get it wrong. When you start saying that, when you start behaving like that, the music starts to lack quality, and that's a big problem. Wanda is a legend.

SPEAKER_01 52:56

Do you know he is, he is. I'm not even gonna put him on the minors, like that's mad disrespectful because he's still giving us good quality occasionally. But do you think just like football players, do you think at some point music artists should hang the boots, their boots?

SPEAKER_03 53:23

I wouldn't say hang your boots, I would just say you need to um move from wanting to get mainstream records to understanding this is where I'm at now, and this is what I'm going to do. You know, um in 2025, we found Net2C going making uh like it was going on tour, like he had these shows that felt more intimate, and he realized his audience were the older ones, and that was what he was catering to. You see, when you blow up, a lot of the fans you get then are the young people at that time. And those artists want to grow old with you, but you making when you now want to make music, you're going to make music those particular people that are growing old with you can relate to. You don't expect to sing about ladies and women and alcohol to people in their 40s, in their late 30s. They have much past that. Do you understand? So you need to recognize who are my co-audience, and you as yourself, you need to grow old also. If you're an artist, when you blew up, you were singing about alcohol, drugs, and whatnot. And you're 10 years into your career, and you still want to sing about alcohol drugs. And how does that even make sense? You have not shown any growth.

SPEAKER_01 54:52

You've not shown any growth. You sound like a dad, Dilly.

SPEAKER_03 54:59

You see, um, I of course a lot of Nigerians pay attention to the foreign music scene. So I'm going to bring up an example again. Drake is someone we listened to while we were all in school. We paid attention to his music a lot, but at some point he lost us because we couldn't like figure out what Drake was saying anymore. His music changed. He started talking about being on the Yachi. I've never been on the Yachi in Peniadas or on the, you know, that's something you can't relate. You know, I mean, uh it's only a handful of champagne music, Delhi.

SPEAKER_01 55:41

Champagne music.

SPEAKER_03 55:51

I I understand wanting to make music that, but we needed more like maturity from Drake at the time, but it it wasn't giving that. And that's the same thing I'm seeing with. In fact, it could be the same thing that we were talking about with Wandiko. Wandiko at one point refused to like age with his music. The same thing happened with Don uh the band, rather. The band refused to accept the fact that, oh, I'm old. He was still trying to sing cocolets, baby lets, mama.

SPEAKER_02 56:20

Bro, you're like 60.

SPEAKER_03 56:24

Bro, you're like you're like 50. You're like, what do you mean, baby lets, cocoa let's, mama let okay. You need to start sounding your age.

SPEAKER_01 56:33

I won't I won't give one day a plus or a minus. I'll just give him if it's not plus, if it's not minus. What is it?

SPEAKER_03 56:44

Maybe just leave him. Maybe we'll leave him. You know, some kind of people you know they thought.

SPEAKER_01 56:49

Yeah, I'll leave him, I'll leave him in the middle. I'll leave the middle.

SPEAKER_03 56:52

Hey, may we leave out for me do you just leave out for me?

SPEAKER_01 56:57

Okay, uh pick one more. Pick one more.

SPEAKER_03 57:02

You want this to end? I was enjoying myself, bro.

SPEAKER_01 57:06

No, okay.

SPEAKER_03 57:11

Do you remember that champagne, that champagne music that files make?

SPEAKER_01 57:17

Chandonnet. Chardonnay.

SPEAKER_03 57:20

What a brilliant song.

SPEAKER_02 57:25

Take me back, shake me back. You know what? Allow, allow this. I'm listening to it.

SPEAKER_03 57:30

After this, I'm listening to that. Um, so I'm going to go.

SPEAKER_02 57:36

I'm going to go with it. I'm going to go with you. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 57:52

Give it to me. Just give it to me. Let me have it.

SPEAKER_01 57:59

V E C Vector the Viper.

SPEAKER_02 58:05

Vector the Viper.

SPEAKER_01 58:06

I think this is this is the this is the artist that both of us met at the same time, right? Yes. Yeah, okay. So yeah. Victor the Viper.

SPEAKER_03 58:16

Um, we met him in Lagos, right?

SPEAKER_01 58:19

Yeah, Magodo, to be precise. Magodo, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 58:23

Meeting him in person, he was actually tall. I knew he was tall from the videos I've seen, but he was actually tall. And he was actually very humble that day, if you remember. He was really humble down to the street. The circumstance now. Let's leave that. Let's leave that. No details. Allow, allow. Okay, so if someone mentions Vector, what comes to mind first? The first thing that comes to mind is the dis with the beef with MI, and that's a problem. Because when I mention MI, that's for you, but not for me. Most people, when you mention Vector, the beef comes to mind.

SPEAKER_01 59:04

I'll tell you what comes to mind when you mention Vector. When we mention Vector, I remember the radio show where he was piring for hours. Okay. Yeah, that's for me.

SPEAKER_03 59:15

Then the Because you pay a lot of attention to music, the average person is not going to remember Vector for that. Vector, good lyricist, but most people would remember Vector for the beef with M.I., and that is a problem on his legacy. I mean, he's too good to remember just for that.

SPEAKER_01 59:38

Oh, okay. I see what you mean. I see what you mean.

SPEAKER_03 59:40

It's too good to be remember just for that. If I mention MI, do you think, oh, beef? Is that the first thing that comes to mind?

SPEAKER_01 59:48

No. No, to be honest.

SPEAKER_03 59:50

Do you have a lot of albums to, I mean, a lot of big moments to remember in for. I can't say the same for Vector. Vector is a good lyricist, he can make beautiful music, he can make all kinds of music, he has King Kong, he has songs where they are just pure rap. He has songs like the one with Good Girl LA that are melodic, you know? So Vector is someone who can, you know, diversify, move into different space. And lyrical, very lyrical, also. But where did he get it wrong?

SPEAKER_01 1:00:27

So I think I what what really hurts me about Vector, well, I don't know if I should say it hurts me, but it's just the fact that his best work for me, the second coming, is his first work, but it's not available on DSPs. And there's just bits and pieces on YouTube. So someone, you telling someone, go listen to Vector, you might listen and be like, I haven't seen anything. I mean, there's King Kong, there's Bedou, there's Ellie Morma and all of that on DSPs, but the real rap, the real rap vector, the fire guy vector, is nowhere to be found.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:07

Um Vector is a situation, he's a person of you know, circumstances happening to him. He had issues with the label at first. I think that's one of the reasons why you might not find second coming on DSPs. And it was one of the reasons why he couldn't make music for a long period of time. He actually had to wait out his contract. Very crazy. They signed him into a contract that kept him from making music for a long period of time, and that slowed his career progress a lot. But if you still want to listen to Vector, you can go listen to Lafayette G. Laffia G is good. You can still be able to do it.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:47

Incredible. I was just saying the best one. Like when you hear that one, you'd be like, there's quite a few on YouTube. I I hope people are able to find it because it's really was really good.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:59

So one of the one of the things about Vector could also be the fact that it didn't stick to what he was best at. You know, it's good to diversify a while and try to make you know RB songs, pop songs, and stuff like that. But if you're good at rapping, stick to rapping. Rap. Do what you're really good at.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:27

And I've always said, very lyrical.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:31

In fact, you know, the beauty of it. Listen to a Vector song and try to figure out what was he saying on this. Man, what was he saying on this? And create a lane in that place. You know, he had ciphers also. And every time Vector has a cipher, people are listening because it is Vector. But when it's time to make an album, when it's time to make music, that's when, you know, it goes back into making all these um songs, all these pop songs that are he's not good at making the pop songs. I mean, he's not bad at it, also, but it he got it wrong. He was trying to incorporate something that was not in into his style of music. So he he lost people there, he lost, he lost the audience there. What kind of audience are you going to have? Rapheads, or you want to just have generic music listeners. If you if you want to have like a mainstream record, then make very good mainstream records. But if you want to make rap records, make very good rap records so that the people who are rap heads will kill for you, will die for you. Die for you. Yes. So Vector, I love a lot. I like Vector personally, but the his career, his art history to me hasn't lived up to what it could have been.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:55

So you're giving him a minus.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:58

Not a minus, just just a very low positive, like a six, like a five, a six, you know, that range. Just because he has early momo.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:12

Your your your favorite song. One song I really like about I like from Vector is Bedou. I like Bedu song.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:22

That's a great song.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:23

That's a very good one. So give me something to work with.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:29

You pick. The numbers are still right here. You pick.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:34

Okay. I did a goalkeeper. Give me a striker. I'll take a nine.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:40

So you want nine. Nine. But this one, I don't, I'm not sure it can play nine because he doesn't have that much leg for it.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:56

Whatever you do, don't give me a bad nine, please.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:01

So you have you have Victory.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:05

Come on now. Oh, Victoria will still strike forget. Stop shooting.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:11

Victoria, I apologize for that joke, but you were just right there.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:17

Stubborn. When you say bukha, you say stubborn. When you say stubborn, you say Victoria. Hey, okay. Victory is one of the most slept-on Nigerian artists. I don't think a lot of people give him the props he deserves. Stubborn was a very good album from 2024. Like, I don't think anybody can argue that. Odele. You want to argue that? No, no, no.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:54

You remember the first time I listened to the album? I think you sent it to me that Victoria has drawn. And I replied immediately and told you that this is beautiful. It's a beautiful work of art. So Victori's Victori topped his first album.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:14

Yes, I know everybody will say Soweto was a big song, the remix with Rema and all of that. But artist growth is the ability to see them do better than what they did the last time. Outlaw was good. Stubborn was better. Very stubborn was also solid. And I think very stubborn might be a lead up to an album. Maybe very, very stubborn or recalcitrance. He might be coming up with these, you know, stubborn phrases and all of that. But Victory is hands down a very good, a very good, good artist. I just need people to listen to him more.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:54

You know, the one thing I enjoy about Victory is if you if you check the Afrobeat space now, a lot of people are starting to sound like Victory. I mean, check a lot of people coming up now. They sound like they are trying to make music like Victori. These laid back, let the beat ride, and you're just slowly aligned. The beat is moving, and you're just laying your vocals calmly on it. And a lot of people are trying to do it. But the beauty of it is Victori does it really well because it's it's it's like his own kind of sound. It's different from the Omali sound, it's quite different. But this music moving really fast in the background, and your vocals is just calm on it. Even the song with Terry G, why Terry G was like when Victori came back on it, he's too calm, he leveled it. He said no matter, no matter the how fast the beat is moving, Victory just comes, lays his vocals calmly on the beat. And a lot of people try to do it, but it gives off laziness. But for Victori, it's just special. That's why I love I love Victori so much.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:09

I think there's something he does that I don't know how to describe it, but he picks lyrics from or like artist name or their lyrics. He could say something like, like Brackett, are you yoli? Are they hustle like a Jebo? Are they this?

SPEAKER_03 1:08:24

I'm like, bro, you can always tell a student of the game. Victory is a student of the game. You know, you will know that this guy has been listening to music, studying other artists for so long. Going back to pick Terry G to drop on a song with you means I know I have been listening to music.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:45

You know, on the on that on that uh EP, the one with Terry G, I like two songs there a lot. I like ordinary things, and I like that freestyle. I'm like, is this a freestyle guy? Uh no, Victoria. Victory is a hmm. I'm going with a plus plus plus.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:04

Of course. The the sky is the limit for Victorian. Victory still has grounds to cover. I mean, I'm still waiting for his international hits, which I believe it's going to be anytime soon. You know, a lot of breakout artists now, they always have these international hits. Rema has his calm down, Fireboy has his Peru, like that. I'm just waiting for that international hit. Omale Aziz also now, even CK Aziz. So I feel like all it's all that is needed now is for Victorian to have that international hit, and that's it. Because looking back at it, Bonner Boy had Ye, and before he had Ye, he had a good um catalogue already. And when Ye came, blew up, people could always go back to his past catalogue and be like, wow, brilliant artist. I think like that's the same thing that probably happened to Victorian. He gets that major blow. And when people go back to listening to his previous song, they be like, What?

SPEAKER_01 1:10:12

You know that thing you always say that when you hear a song and you go check the artist's catalog, the remaining songs are a mess. Victory does not have that. Like his kind of guy that once you hear one of his songs and you go, you keep digging, you keep digging. They're like, ah, Victoria, I call him Lysena, my guy.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:36

Yeah, so I'm giving him a 9.5. I mean, the sky is the limit for Victorian. He can always keep going. I agree with your rating. A nine for me, also. Victoria can keep going.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:49

With the potential to do more, do more than intended.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:55

Excellent. So if you like you know, Victoria be the head of the class now.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:01

Yes, now, now for you. The stubborn person is always the most popular in the class now. For those just joining, new listeners, those that have been faithful from the first day. We've been going with, we've been going on about artists who we think are the future, artists with amazing sounds. We've spoken about what the landscape in Afrobeats sound-wise has been, the quality, what should be done, what shouldn't be done. And these are just takes from our point of view. There's a lot going on in the Afrobeat space, and to be honest, we're on the right path. We just need a few more edits, just like this video or this episode is gonna have, to reach where we should be. We know we can do it, we have the right artists, we have the right sounds, we have everything at our disposals. And we are the gang, we personally believe that Afrobeats will be better.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:17

Afrobeat to the world and beyond.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:24

We've come right to everyone's favorite part of the episode song of the week, and we have two songs in contention. We have Iguaka Kapal and we have hot kid, hot kid, run to God. A difficult pick.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:49

Will you run to God or will you capal?

SPEAKER_03 1:12:56

Okay, now um run to God is a lovely song. It's hot kid doing what it does best again. Afroadora in it, and again, he's running to God. Afroadura did he always run to God with it. No, no, if you know who you won't run to, so that's our runner up for this episode, Run to God by Hot Kid, and the song of the week is Kapal by Igor Aka.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:26

Yeah, Aka. Anyways, guys, I hope you have an amazing week, and be careful not to kapow, or enjoy the song and see you in two weeks. See you guys, bye.